Those of you who claim that gay relationships are "immoral" do you base that on any other book than the bible?

Because let's face it, any book that claims that donkey's can talk, bats are unclean birds and that mixing fibers in clothing being evil is, quite frankly, hardly an authoritative source for anything.





So, do you have ANY rational reasons to call same-sex relationships "immoral"?


Because I for one haven't heard a single one yet.

Those of you who claim that gay relationships are "immoral" do you base that on any other book than the bible?
Dude let's just put it this way: No REAL chef needs to check the cookbook for every detail to make a great dish. These people lack orginality, taste, and independence from a fictional piece of literature. And only a small group of them are somewhat endurable to be around.
Reply:I base it on the Bible.
Reply:I couldn't stand to be around gays even if I'd never read the Bible. The attitude you exhibit in this question shows enough of a spirit of arrogance and rebellion that I would stay as far from you as I could. After reading this question I don't know how you can say donkeys can't talk.
Reply:A thing being Moral or Immoral are most likely an agreed social term in a certain community. Just like what is right for you may not be right for me and vise versa.


The changing standards in the modern society is now being based on what can be lawfully acceptable or not.The immorality of same sex marriage exist on places where it is not yet socially acceptable. Your religion is still a voice against or for it. Just judge it in the way you will not be judged also.
Reply:You have a very valid question.. Th Bible flip flops a lot on this subject and the clergy has the upper-hand poaching only the negatives while ALL the positives go unnoticed..





Jesus never ever mentions homosexuality as a sin. He talks very fondly about Sodom and Gomorrah. In fact, he said that in the Day of Judgment the Sodomites will fare much better than the Jews! Dig this… Jesus is going to judge everybody and he is ALREADY telling us the outcome of the proceedings in his Holy Court! No other judge in the world is so candid!





Matthew 11:24 (NIV) But I tell you that it will be more bearable for Sodom on the Day of Judgment than for you."*





(*) Jesus is demonstrating to have much more love and favoritism for the gays and Lesbians than for his own people the Jews! He also stated that even the PROSTITUTES* (*not ex-prostitutes, but prostitutes!) will enter his Kingdom ahead of the Jews!!! So if you have a choice of favoring a gay person or a Jew, which one would you choose??? Hint: WWJD?





God the Son Jesus Christ* (*the future Judge of the World) doesn’t see anything wicked in Sodom, except the normal everyday life routine… Bear in mind that Jesus is the sole heir of the Universe… The old man God will kick the bucket someday and Jesus will take over…





Luke 17:28-29 (NIV) “It was the same in the days of Lot. People were eating and drinking, buying and selling, planting and building. But the day Lot left Sodom, fire and sulfur rained down from heaven and destroyed them all.* (*God the Son Jesus Christ doesn't mention homosexuality as the sin of Sodom, but that sh*t happens!!! Nobody beats Jesus at judging anybody!)





There are unfulfilled prophecies in the Old Testament about the full restoration of Sodom and Gomorrah to the state that they were just before their destruction!!!





Ezekiel 16:53, 55 (NIV) "However, I* (*God) will restore the fortunes of Sodom and her daughters and of Samaria and her daughters, and your fortunes along with them… [55] And your sisters, Sodom with her daughters and Samaria with her daughters, will return to what they were before; and you and your daughters will return to what you were before.





EDIT: If you care to read a bit more...





Hardly any Christian knows King Melchizedek... He was very fond of the Sodomites... and I wonder why is it that Christians never celebrate Abraham as the liberator of the Sodomites? It seems that homophobia is deeply rooted in Christianity.





Sodom was invaded and looted (Gen 14). Lot, his family and most of the Sodomites were captured and taken to be sold as slaves, but their King Bera managed to escape. Abraham is told about it. He arms his slaves and goes about 200 miles on hot pursue of the invaders. Abraham defeats them. Abraham recovers all the loot. Also, he liberates Lot and his family, and all the Sodomites! The liberated Sodomites must have danced naked before Abraham in celebration of joy all the way home. This was repeated when King David brought the Ark of the Covenant back to Jerusalem. He exposed his genitals dancing naked before the LORD and some slave girls! Abraham became the national hero in the Kingdom of Sodom!





When Abraham and all the rescued Sodomites were safely returning home they were greeted by King Bera of Sodom and King Melchizedek* (*Christian theologians claim that he was Jesus in one of his epiphanies--Heb 7:1-3). King Melchizedek brought out bread and wine to celebrate Abraham's genuine "mission accomplished" liberating the Sodomites! King Bera of Sodom and King Melchizedek were bosom buddies!





Genesis 14:17-18 (NIV)


After Abram returned from defeating Kedorlaomer and the kings allied with him, the king of Sodom came out to meet him in the Valley of Shaveh… Then Melchizedek king of Salem brought out BREAD AND WINE* (*type of Holy Communion!). He was priest of God Most High,





In the course of this celebration God makes Abraham to take a solemn oath not to accept any compensation money from King Bera for rescuing the Sodomites in spite of the fact that he risked his own life doing it and who knows how many of his slaves were killed in battle! IT WAS ALL ON ABRAHAM'S ACCOUNT! The Sodomites are highly honored before the Bible God! Abraham already got a big fortune from the MIGHTY King of Egypt and later on from the King of Gerar when these kings picked up Abraham’s old sister/wife Sarah for sex and God forced these kings to compensate dearly to Abraham. They actually made him filthy rich in spite of the fact that Abraham was an illiterate Hebrew shepherd pimping his own sister/wife around, but Abraham was not to accept a Penny from the King of Sodom! Homosexuals are right to be mad at the Christians, but only to the Bible knowledgeable Christians and the Clergy in general because they hide this facts from the general public!





Shortly after this episode God Almighty needs to personally come down to Earth from Heaven to investigate what is going on in Sodom! NOTHING THAT WAS GOING ON IN SODOM EVER BOTHERED GOD EXCEPT THAT SOMEBODY COMPLAINED… it was an “outcry”!!! (Gen 18:20-21) And Sodom is destroyed just for the heck of it! THERE IS PLENTY OF EVIDENCE IN THE BIBLE that the morality of the Sodomites was far superior to that of Lot’s morality. Christians refuse to discuss this whole episode. God promised FULL RESTORATION TO SODOM to the state that it was before it was destroyed! (Eze 16:53,55)





Only the incestuous Lot is saved. He lost his wife. He got drunk and had sex with his young virgin daughters until they got pregnant under the watchful eye of God Almighty... God enjoyed what he was watching and he declared Lot a Holy and Righteous man throughout the Bible, Old and New Testaments! This is all in the Bible that Christians want to ignore and never mention to anybody to the hurt of the gay community!
Reply:"The religious book of bigotry" They hand it out free every Sunday after service with highlighted paragraphs and quotes.
Reply:It is all based on the bible no other book is involved, i find Christians are the most bigoted people in the world.
Reply:Rational reasons? COMMON SENSE!!
Reply:it looks like most people are basing it on dislike which is silly, the "nature has a plan" idea which is also laughable when many straights partake in anal and also that many animals are into the same-sex


also one claims to dislike the attitude of the questioner which is a feeble and stupid excuse


people talk like the species will die out but many same-sex couples act as guardians plus the equipment's there to reproduce so bisexuals can


I don't think that there's ever a rational reason for homophobia


edit: even the "context" reason has been suggested which is laughable
Reply:I've kinda decided christians don't know the meaning of the word moral. I just wish they would leave other people alone.
Reply:any living organism is genetically programmed to keep the species going. Gay relationships would eventually cause humans to die out. Besides that your butt is an exit not an entrance,not to mention its digusting just to think about it.
Reply:Yeah, nature itself. Man is the only creature on the planet that sees nothing wrong with same sex relationships. Homosexuality is un-natural. Homosexuality is deviate behavior, and the sign of a sick mind. The only difference between homosexuals and child molesters is the age of their toys.
Reply:Where do you get that the old testament is what we use today for deciding life. It's through the Life, death and resurrection of JESUS CHRIST in the new testament that defines Christianity. through those laws of GOD and the words of Jesus is where we get most of our concepts now about morals.


It is the new testament that we focus mostly on because it is through JESUS that we can the salvation of GOD!!


The old testament was fulfilled by the Messiah and yes it is in the Bible and yes homosexuality is a sin as well as adultery and other deviant sexual acts that defiles not only GOD but other humans!!
Reply:I could go into some long spill, but the truth is, the only thing most Christian's can rely on for info is the Bible. Nerd F totally removed the scriptures he quoted from their context. I will be happy to elaborate if you'll e-mail me--I don't want to post a book.


I do, however, question the fact that there were no S.T.D.'s until homosexuality, bestiality, and necrophilia became more common practice.
Reply:It's just obvious by nature the human body was not constructed to to engage in such activities.
Reply:Personally, I don't know of another book that proposes any fixed moral baseline - do you?
Reply:I cannot say for certain that it is totally immoral but it is against nature. Nature is about reproducing and that is impossible in a homosexual relationship.